Proposal for implementing referral program

[chiliec]

In our blockchain already exists field "recovery_account" for accounts. It referrer, who invited and registered this account. My proposal is to add some small reward to creator for the actions (supervising and writing posts) of referral. Like in app beneficiaries #285, but for people who registered other people.
Registration of other people will be profitable and there is no need to sponsor registrations anymore.
Referrers will verify referrals and teach them how platform works, because they are interested in the success of their referrals.
What do you think?

[asuleymanov]

Идея конечно хороша.
Но зачем это вносить в БЧ в жестком виде. Ведь будет "app beneficiaries" можно будет сделать свой сайт и с него пусть публикуют статьи. Как это делают многие сайты в STEEM.

[chiliec]

Because as an ordinary abstract user, not a developer, I want to invite my friends easily and not force them to go through a strong and paid(?) sms-registration in our official client. And I don't want to do it at my own expense, of course.

[asuleymanov]

Ничего не помешает приделать регистрацию на своем сайте.

[chiliec]

I'm an average user, I don't have my own site 👶

[pmartynov]

This issue is a blocker for third-party apps developers on Golos, assuming they want their projects to really scale, and let me explain you why.

Registering let's say 100 000 users is impossible for app developers, because it is simply too expensive in general. You need to pay a user registration fee + pay for a marketing campaign. At the same time, it is unprofitable on per user basis as the conversion rate of active out of registered accounts is too low on Golos. The delegation of power does not solve the problem, as most of the registered accounts are going to be inactive and won't be able to earn back the delegated amount.

Also it's much easier for 10 000 people to market the product to 10 friends each than for one app developer to sell it to 100 000 users, because it's much easier to explain the features of the project to people that you already know.

It does not make sense to implement this feature on the app level, because user can simply change the client after it registered the account in the blockchain for a user, which makes it even more unprofitable for app devs to develop this feature, so it should be implemented on the protocol level.

Personally, I'm a Golos investor and I made my investment decision based on the Golos White Paper https://golos.io/ru--golos/@golos/golos-russkoyazychnaya-socialno-mediinaya-blokchein-platforma, which more than a year ago perfectly described the Motivation of Registrators feature and stated that it is in scope of the development. So I expect this feature to be implemented as I already paid for it.

[asuleymanov]

Погодите вы же можете отозвать обратно делегированные голоса.
Тут думаю проблем нет. Просто в своем приложении проверять активность и по каким то условиям отзывать делегированные голоса для зарегистрированных пользователей.

[pmartynov]

Withdrawing delegated power is equal to blocking a user account as if they did something wrong. When users register on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram, they expect to be able to reuse their account a month or a year later without necessarily doing any job for it. If you want users to switch to Golos-based apps you should provide at least the same level of service.

[pmartynov]

Also, not sure if that's the same on Golos, but on Steem you have to borrow 6 times more for the account created with delegated power than for the usual one, which is still another financial burden for app developers.

[pmartynov]

There are still just dozens of app developers on Golos compared to thousands of active users. If you don't let people invite other people for some tip, profit sharing or gift, like on AirBnB and other services, the project won't get viral.

[asuleymanov]

Withdrawing delegated power is equal to blocking a user account as if they did something wrong. When users register on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram, they expect to be able to reuse their account a month or a year later without necessarily doing any job for it. If you want users to switch to Golos-based apps you should provide at least the same level of service.

Насколько я понимаю если Вы отзовете делегированные голоса то при этом не происходит блокировка аккаунта. Просто пользователь не сможет голосовать при следующем входе. Я это так понимаю.

Also, not sure if that's the same on Golos, but on Steem you have to borrow 6 times more for the account created with delegated power than for the usual one, which is still another financial burden for app developers.

Ну тут да. Бремя конечно. Но ведь можно регистрировать при условии отзыва делегированных голосов к примеру через 1 неделю.

There are still just dozens of app developers on Golos compared to thousands of active users. If you don't let people invite other people for some tip, profit sharing or gift, like on AirBnB and other services, the project won't get viral.

Так погодите никто не мешает Вам как разработчику давать какие нибудь подарки пользователям которые зарегистрировались из Вашего приложения. Тут никакой механики от системы GOLOS не предусмотрено.

Вообще первоначально разговор шел о том чтобы пользователь или приложение который регистрирует другого пользователя, получал какую нибудь выгоду от этого, а не чтобы зарегистрированный пользователь что то получал.
Просто сейчас если Вы кого нибудь регистрируете, вернуть свои затраты можно только при условии договоренности о возврате потраченных средств. Вот как раз делегирование это может решить.

А товарищ @chiliec предлагал сделать автоматическое бенефициарство для пользователей которых регистрируют. Я понял его вопрос именно так.

[chiliec]

There are still just dozens of app developers on Golos compared to thousands of active users. If you don't let people invite other people for some tip, profit sharing or gift, like on AirBnB and other services, the project won't get viral.

Exactly! If people will be able to invite other people for some benefits, they become bellman and themselves will explain and take care of invite only active users. People will be the drivers of blockchain growth, not only developers.

[pmartynov]

Насколько я понимаю если Вы отзовете делегированные голоса то при этом не происходит блокировка аккаунта. Просто пользователь не сможет голосовать при следующем входе. Я это так понимаю.

User won't be able to use the most part of the functionality of the app, which is equal to enforced account blocking.

Ну тут да. Бремя конечно. Но ведь можно регистрировать при условии отзыва делегированных голосов к примеру через 1 неделю.

I'm not saying it is technically impossible to withdraw the power in 1 week, I'm saying that delegation feature is meaningless for me as an app developer as it does NOT solve my problems with user registration and project scaling. 95% of social network users won't accept those 1 week "conditions" and will just stay on Facebook or Instagram. Unless you implement this feature #295, of course.

Так погодите никто не мешает Вам как разработчику давать какие нибудь подарки пользователям которые зарегистрировались из Вашего приложения. Тут никакой механики от системы GOLOS не предусмотрено.

I don't want to reward users for the registrations. I want protocol to be able to reward registrators (users that registered other users). As I've mentioned earlier, that mechanics IS stipulated as it is written in Golos Whitepaper, which I believe you carefully follow during your daily development routine.

Вообще первоначально разговор шел о том чтобы пользователь или приложение который регистрирует другого пользователя, получал какую нибудь выгоду от этого, а не чтобы зарегистрированный пользователь что то получал.

Registrators should be beneficiaries of registered users actions at least for some period of time. That's exactly what I mean.

Просто сейчас если Вы кого нибудь регистрируете, вернуть свои затраты можно только при условии договоренности о возврате потраченных средств. Вот как раз делегирование это может решить.

А товарищ @chiliec предлагал сделать автоматическое бенефициарство для пользователей которых регистрируют. Я понял его вопрос именно так.

Exactly! The user that was registered by other user (registrator) should share some reward with the registrator, and that should be implemented on the protocol level, so that no matter what client the registered user is using, the registrator gets beneficiary reward.

[chiliec]

it is written in Golos Whitepaper, which I believe you carefully follow during your daily development routine.

Unfortunately, @asuleymanov not a member of "Golos team" and not develop chain core.
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