Suggested plan for the next version 1.8 #5250
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As I have said elsewhere, Windows App SDK is no good for business applications until such time as there is a working UI validation framework. Personally, I am happy with the interfaces available in WPF (though many on here disagree with me and feel something better could/should be provided) - especially as it would make for easier reuse of existing back-end code - but at least give us something. |
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Yes, I sometimes use WPF, but I hope WinUI can achieve what it deserves. |
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And I have said elsewhere, but I will repeat here, not being able to bind numberboxes to decimal (currency) values is about just as bad for business applications as not having validation. Anyone who works with currency values knows to use decimal to store them in SQL Server or other DB and in C#. When you bind numberboxes to decimal indirectly using a double-to-decimal and vice-versa conversion, you run the risk of rounding issues, making it near impossible for us to continue with our business application appropriately. I don't know what to do but BEG someone to fix this. WinUI is great, but this and some of the other issues above really are preventing mass adoption and it is such a shame. |
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This has been a fun area of internal discussion of late, as you'd no doubt imagine. I've heard a few ideas floated from 'teach NumberBox how to also work with decimal' to 'make a new DecimalBox', with the latter sounding like the odds on favorite from the mutterings I've heard of the WinUI experts. We shall see. I don't know concrete details other than there's a lot of interest here. As you know we just had the Build conference so a lot of people were busy either directly or indirectly supporting the efforts, so please be patient as folks unwind from very full schedules making Build happen and rock back into the more usual work cadence. @RDMacLachlan is keenly aware of the interest and working to help focus efforts to deliver. I'm sure you'll hear more as soon as we have news to share. |
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@DrusTheAxe We had an interesting discussion on this at Build, and I quickly hacked something up that might work. It can be done with attached dependency properties. So you could have something like this: |
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Thanks for keeping the community updated @DrusTheAxe! |
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@DrusTheAxe Thank you so much for the update! I am so happy to hear about the progress on this. |
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Interesting. @RDMacLachlan and I'll pass along word to the folks working on the WinUI support for consideration (if not already considered :-) ) |
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I love that you listed Kiosk Mode. I appreciate it. |
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missing drag& drop support elevated ,@https://github.com/microsoft/microsoft-ui-xaml/issues/7690 |
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..…and a better drag&drop handling, too. |
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done |
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Unfortunately, I believe this is a lost cause (Windows limitation). It already doesn't work for packaged Win32 apps, let alone Windows App SDK ones. |
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the underlying Win32 API do support this functionality since the Vista days. It's the MSIX tech that is pure shit. So, this is a MSIX Bug/Limitation that will need to be fixed in the newer Windows versions. Just like this one: #2555 (#2555 (comment)). (that also, assuming MS is serious about MSIX, if at all). |
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I believe the problem lies in the direction and the decisions made. Computers are tools to assist people in their work. To sacrifice convenient functions for the sake of security is extremism. |
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Please include fixing this issue in v1.8 too. It prevents the WinUI3 apps from being used in Hyper-V VMs and some other remote desktop scenarios because it causes a lot UI freezing. |
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done |
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Ty 🙏 |
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@ghost1372 it's not just related to VMs, here is another issue where I linked similar ones already reported. |
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it might also be related to this one, which should arrive in 1.7, according to @codendone |
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@bogdan-patraucean i added your issues to list |
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I hope they look at numberboxes in general. There's so many problems with them.
I could list more issues with numberboxes but just searching this repo will list a lot more. |
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Wow, NumberBox is even worse than I realized so far. I got stuck in our app with it not supporting decimal, I didn't even notice half of these problems yet. What a mess. |
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And NumberBox displays 1e15 as 1000000000000000 only. |
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Pin to taskbar is very unlikely to happen. Microsoft has pretty vocally stated that they do not want such an interface: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20141230-00/?p=43273 |
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Pinning is currently possible for packaged apps. While Microsoft has restricted it to unpackaged applications, there is a way to get around it. It is now possible to pin any app with c# and unpackaged mode. But why not create a standard way? Must definitely be revised in decisions |
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Read the article. |
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Isn't this exactly done like theoldnewthing describes by driving the context menu? Just because something can be done does not mean it should be done. |
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Feature should also include xaml 2009 in .net |
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tnx, i added microsoft/microsoft-ui-xaml#7037 to list |
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Before requesting anything, i want to thanks the WASDK team for their hard work and effort, i understand it's hard for you to manage the project with few team members and i dearly hope MS will give you more funds and human resources I want to request making the Window control inherit from DependencyObject this will make extending and fixing bugs much easier, like creating a BaseWindow class the inherit from DependencyObject and combines it with the current window control functionalities then making the window control inherit from BaseWindow might leads to more benefits and improvements Thanks for reading my post, i appreciate WinUI 3 and WASDK and their team |
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Thanks for the WinUI team for the continued efforts. WinUI has been continuously neglected by MS and I'm glad to see it's being worked on. |
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@RDMacLachlan @codendone is anyone in the team actually reading these posts (or this one)? |
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Hi everyone, |
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@RDMacLachlan has just restored my faith in humanity. |
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Hi @RDMacLachlan |
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This thread and the 1.7 release thread show that there are still people that want to move the platform forward. Please don't continue as the previous releases where the community around WinAppSDK was mostly ignored. |
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Yes, fortunately it has been merged. |
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A C#/WinRT rewrite? Can you give me a link talking about that? I'm interested |
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https://github.com/microsoft/CsWinRT/tree/fhl/cswinrt-3.0/src/WinRT.Runtime2 |
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Thanks |
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I think if xbind is implemented for the ResourceDictionary (No Code-Behind), most of the AoT problems for custom controls will be solved. |
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This Issue can be easily solved by introducing a "IL Broker Manager (Service)" in Windows, if MS really wanted to fix it. |
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Thank you, I added it. |
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@Gaoyifei1011 You reposted the long, original post eight times in your responses. Please try to not do that 😉 |
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Thanks for your advice.I will notice that.😂😂😂 |
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you can edit the quotes parts of your replies by just quoting the relevant lines. that way, this thread will become easier to read. |
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I have been mergeded it and remove duplicated comments. |
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ITNOA @ghost1372 Please add WinUI 3 Designer microsoft/microsoft-ui-xaml#5917 from #4710 to suggested plan |
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Done |
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Could you link the issue microsoft/microsoft-ui-xaml#4474 to the Application.RequestedTheme point? |
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Done |
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As I mentioned multiple times, when I still cared about WinUI / WinAppSDK, feature parity with WPF, including designer and at very least the same capabilities as System.Windows.Media, and for C++ development, the Visual Studio tooling that was dropped when C++/CX got replaced by C++/WinRT, and related talk at CppCon 2017. But I doubt there are enough resources still around for any of this to matter, and I am quite curious how much WinUI still gets to be talked about at BUILD 2025, as the agenda seems quite empty into that regard. |
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It states windowing improvements above but just links to an issue about binding support on Window. |
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The cases mentioned are just a few, and it could include anything. |
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Done! |
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I would love to see SVG compatibility throughout. DevExpress fully supported them in all their controls in WinForms, allowing our apps to look their best at all resolutions and scaling. It feels like a big step backwards in WinUI not being able to use SVG images everywhere that scale properly. |
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Agree, see microsoft/microsoft-ui-xaml#1494 for all the problems with icons. |
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Hahah, I actually made the last post in that thread when I first started with WinUI and saw what a mess icons were. I forgot about it. |
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added to list |
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It's a bit late, but I'd like to highlight my pain points during development:
Generally, the controls can be more friendly for data binding. |
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Where is Xaml2018? When will we enter the official version of the Windows App SDK (WinUI 3)? --------------------------------Xaml2018在哪里？什么时候进入到 Windows App SDK（WinUI 3）的正式版？
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tnx, added to list |
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These are things we need and have been asking for years but have never been considered.
I hope Microsoft will consider this list. Also, if nothing is going to happen to any of the items, we expect a proper explanation so that we don't have to waste our time waiting to deal with it.
Instead of working on trivial things, focus on the following:
Controls
Features/APIs
Bug Fix
TitleBar Bug Fix
Tip
Completed features or fixes that have been implemented successfully.
Done
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