Monero Community Workgroup Meeting: Dec 20th 16:00 UTC

[plowsof]

Location: Libera.chat, #monero-community | Matrix

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Time
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Moderator: plowsof

Please reach out in advance of the meeting if you would like to propose an agenda item.

Proposed Meeting Items:

1. Introduction
2. Greetings
3. Community highlights
   • Expect updates to the Spy Nodes mrl-banlist - see Ruckniums https://moneronet.info/ and discussion in Monero Research Lab Meeting - Wed 10 December 2025, 17:00 UTC #1310
   • Qubics "selfish mining under performed honest mining due to poor fork resolution and a conservative strategy. As many know, they never held a stable majority." full paper - via authors X account
   • Blocksize Scaling discussions continue (see MRL meetings) - https://github.com/ArticMine/Monero-Documents
   • DataHoarder adds Bounties / CCS + more to https://blocks.p2pool.observer/payments
   • Tech. difficulties with the bounties bot, bot comments on wrong bounty monerobot/monerobot#12 and I've audited the address balances and found some discrepancies @ bounties-mismatches , HennyH is going to debug and fix the issues.
   • CCS slow to update funding amounts contributing to needless overfunding? the CCS can be updated every minute. (Adding 'Unconfirmed balance' will require some dockerising and development/debug work - i've made a start on dockerising at least)
     News: Monero Observer - Revuo Monero - This Week In Monero - Monero Moon
4. CCS updates
   a. 39C3 Support
   b. Sneedlewoods-03_part-time_dev_work-Q1-26
5. Workgroup reports
   a. Dev workgroup
   b. Localization workgroup
   c. Outreach workgroup
   d. Events workgroup - MoneroKon 2026 - a venue for 2026 is still being discussed
   e. Website workgroup - redsh4de working on https://beta.monerodevs.org who posts regularupdates in #monero-site
   f. Policy workgroup
   g. Research workgroup Monero Research Lab Meeting - Wed 17 December 2025, 17:00 UTC #1313
   h. FCMP++ Stressnet https://stressnet.p2pool.observer/
   • "Ruckniums 1.4 release is using 107gb of ram compared to 1.5-prerelease using 14gb" via ofrnxmr
6. Open ideas time
7. Confirm next meeting date/time

Previous meeting including logs

Meeting logs will be posted here afterwards.

[plowsof]

Logs

<plowsof> meeting time #1314

<lm:matrix.baermail.fr> lm:matrix.baermail.fr 👋

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org 👋

<michael> Hello.

<plowsof> greetings !

<ohchase:envs.net> ohchase:envs.net 👋

<plowsof> Ruckniums network scan tool : https://moneronet.info/ 👀 boog900 shared in the last MRL meeting an update to the ban list @ Boog900/monero-ban-list#10 meeting logs: #1310

<plowsof> how is site coming along redsh4de? 👋

<plowsof> https://beta.monerodevs.org/

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org paragraphs incoming from me

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org Soo, over the past 2 weeks, worked on adding three new pages to the website, some docs about how to add/modify/extend relevant content and use some utilities i made, and general improvements in various areas of the codebase - with a focus on making CSS more compact, weighing out a potential migration for SCSS due to it's support for nesting and general features that improve maintainability

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org First, what's new since the last update

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org 1. "What is Monero?" page at https://beta.monerodevs.org/get-started/what-is-monero/

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org The design is meant to follow a sectioned pitch deck style that tells a kind of a story (problem -> solution -> use cases), with a call to action section leading the user to either download a wallet or purchase Monero.

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org Thought it also fitting to add a Learn More section with Dr. Daniel Kim's presentation about Monero (with subtitle options), as i think it really covers most questions people might have about what Monero is and why it matters. As always, all text on the current page can be considered a placeholder and is only for presentation purposes

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/kseRprcJsuNGyedaoGcbYydP.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org 2. Exchanges page with eyecandy! https://beta.monerodevs.org/get-started/exchanges/

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org Added a responsive exchanges page, with the options organized as such: Decentralized Exchanges, Aggregators, and CEXes - effectively sorted in a descending order by which ones are the most optimal for privacy.

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org To avoid overwhelming users, made a filter sidebar/drawer to help newcomers quickly highlight the options that fit their situation - hopefully solving the common complaint that its difficult to buy Monero, which stems more from a bad presentation and discoverability of options rather than a lack of them[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/joOFsNQKMWd6ajR3 ]

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org Desktop view:

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/MUwFDEbGPOkakiNpYJoOBdUR.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org Mobile view:

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/AHrYnLgavROuzCKSRwwFQwNq.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org 3. Merchants at https://beta.monerodevs.org/get-started/merchants/

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org List of merchant directories for now - four options listed as of today

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/gjzTcMzbvopdLfapYCLVlpdY.png (image.png)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr:xmr.mx Looks good and loads real fast

<plowsof> nice progress redsh4de 💪images brought to us by the power of DataHoarders bridge. proposals currently open for funding -> https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/

<plowsof> has GUPAXX made the migration to the gupax-io repo? https://github.com/gupax-io/gupax

<lm:matrix.baermail.fr> lm:matrix.baermail.fr plowsof: Gupax.io is up,

<lm:matrix.baermail.fr> lm:matrix.baermail.fr Codebase is merged, but I want to finish some code refactor before releasing gupax v2

<plowsof> i can share a small update about my attempt at tweaking some things on the CCS backend after feedback. i should be able to put a testnet instance showing unconfirmed amounts next week

<nioc> meow

<plowsof> aot of small tweaks needed that prevented ccs from seeing pool transactions at all - hidden in the depths of php

<plowsof> other requests such as 'red banner to tell people that overfunding likely wont go to the proposer*) ... and a KISS "external funding" - where the FR page would just link people to an external fund raiser, this was requested a while ago, might not be so useful now but its a possibility

<plowsof> nice lm 💪 pumping the p2pool hashrate : https://blocks.p2pool.observer/pools

<lm:matrix.baermail.fr> lm:matrix.baermail.fr Very impressed @redsh4de:matrix.org !

<lm:matrix.baermail.fr> lm:matrix.baermail.fr Did you planned for localization support ?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr:xmr.mx @lm:matrix.baermail.fr: Yes

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org planned? ;)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org already live

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr:xmr.mx Go check out the rtl arabic version

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org https://beta.monerodevs.org/ar/

<plowsof> i hear the blockscaling wars may have ended? "(see MRL meetings) - https://github.com/ArticMine/Monero-Documents "

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr:xmr.mx Nope

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr:xmr.mx Our twitter friends are unhappy

<lm:matrix.baermail.fr> lm:matrix.baermail.fr I see it now, perfect !

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org @lm:matrix.baermail.fr: wrote a lot of utilities to simplify localization for strings, more info about how it all works here: https://github.com/redsh4de/monero-site/blob/main/docs/how-to-add-localization-to-a-page.md

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr:xmr.mx @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: "After the recent backlash against a hard cap on the block size, it seems like the Monero developers have decided to cripple the scaling factors instead."

<plowsof> these monero developers sound really mean if true!

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr:xmr.mx Theyre racist bigots

<plowsof> so the people who are of the opinion that monero is going to be crippled are aware of the current technical limitations that put caps on sizes of certain things

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr:xmr.mx So you're a racist too? Noted.

<nioc> they were promised infinite block size

<plowsof> 😭

<plowsof> Noted and ignored

<nioc> website funding https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/redsh4de-getmonero-redesign.html

<nioc> general fund has donated

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org nioc: Been spending a lot of time on the project, if anyone would like to support my work, do consider contributing <3

<plowsof> oh ' should the date displayed on the funding required page - be the date which it was put to funding ' to stop teitter from shaming us

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org +1

<plowsof> its currently the date at which the porposer placed there to say 'i will begin from this date or intend to'

<nioc> put all the dates

<plowsof> yes

<plowsof> anything else anyone would like to mention?

<plowsof> News: Monero Observer - Revuo Monero - This Week In Monero (Oberver still on his 2nd break in 4 years)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org plowsof: in the list of proposals, i think the date shown must be the one on which the proposal went live

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org same thing in the proposal view, with the proposal creation date being shown under it like a secondary item

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org or in the body, like "Proposal created on XYZ"

<plowsof> yep , we can probably show all the dates clearly, and they can be ordered on the publish date - rather than the 'i intend to begin @' date

<plowsof> any feedback on the open ccs ideas?

<plowsof> a. 39C3 Support

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org supporting a presence as 39C3 is very +EV imo, im for it. planning to visit the congress myself

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org s/as/at

<plowsof> b. Sneedlewoods-03_part-time_dev_work-Q1-26

<plowsof> has been brought up in no-wallet-left-behind meetings with positive feedback

<nioc> ++1

<redsh4de:matrix.org> redsh4de:matrix.org +1

<plowsof> thanks for feedback. and speaking of events:

<plowsof> d. Events workgroup - MoneroKon 2026 - a venue for 2026 is still being discussed

<plowsof> lm:matrix.baermail.fr 27-30 december is very close, is it an issue to have it funded after the event ? > a. 39C3 Support

<plowsof> ofrnxmr:xmr.mx Usually ppl put the date as the current date that they opened entered the idea stage > yep , we can probably show all the dates clearly, and they can be ordered on the publish date - rather than the 'i intend to begin @' date

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr:xmr.mx It should probably be changed to match the merge date

<plowsof> #monero-events to follow along i i hear the bitcoin film festival are open to sharing the venue in Warsaw

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr:xmr.mx can also maybe add extra fields for idea -> funding -> wip

<nioc> I believe questions were brought up last meeting about the 39C3 proposal. Were they addressed?

<plowsof> most discussion happened here https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20251122#c615861

<plowsof> if they are addresses people can give a thumbs up otherwise no

<plowsof> " although with C3 getting close, would be nice to get this approved or denied so we can know whether to go elsewhere for money if needed"

<plowsof> "that said, given the slow donations of current proposals in FR I don't foresee it getting funded quickly even if merged"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr:xmr.mx plowsof: this is my immediate thought

<lm:matrix.baermail.fr> lm:matrix.baermail.fr They could always sed 2025 2026 😐

<plowsof> any more feedbacks

<plowsof> because h. FCMP++ Stressnet https://stressnet.p2pool.observer/

<plowsof> - "Ruckniums 1.4 release is using 107gb of ram compared to 1.5-prerelease using 14gb" via ofrnxmr

<plowsof> and an upcoming monero core 18.4.5 release

<plowsof> 🥶

<lm:matrix.baermail.fr> lm:matrix.baermail.fr 🤧

<plowsof> this is the last meeting of 2025 give yourselves a pat on the back please

<plowsof> get well soon lm 🔥 🙌

<plowsof> any other business before i freeze, i'd like to put an open end here for humanitarian reasons and thank everyone for joining

<nioc> I have not seen any recent communication from the 39C3 proposal and doesn't seem like they are here today

<plowsof> pls continue

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